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Карменситта,
исп. Клара Милич и Днепров.
Ox123

Госархив СССР (РФ)
Mirror Transcription: 1235
Original matrix: Gosprossnab NKP (own recordings) # 1235
Label Catalog No Mx/Ctr No Take Order No Censorial No Additional information
Muzpred (0x-numbering) > Muzpred NKP (0x, "Fabrika pamyati 1905 goda", blue) 0x123 0x123 20005 Reissue (original matrix)
Reverse Side 0x118 0x118 ––//––
Soviet records > Gosprossnab NKP (own recordings) 1235 1235 Original matrix
Muzpred (0x-numbering) > Muzpred NKP (0x, "Fabrika pamyati 1905 goda", blue) 0x123 0x123 18029 Reissue (original matrix) Base fund
Title Name: Carmencita
Language(s) or Ethnics: russian | Catalog category: Mezzo-Soprano with Piano | Genre (Music Category): Romance
Artist(s): Klara Milich
Composer: Elena Gartung
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Accompaniment Type: Piano
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Recording Place: Moscow | Recording Date: 1924
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Record size: 25 cm | Label size: 90 mm
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File size: 748.3 KB | 1704x2272 px
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Added by: Zonofon | 27.08.2017 21:50 | Last updated by:  bernikov | 29.08.2017 03:12
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Adrian Hindle-Briscall (Adrian)
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noise reduction
I've used quite a lot of noise reduction on this - well, enough to give artifacts, but it's necessary to make it listenable.
  03.05.2010 22:19
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Alexey Petukhov (conservateur)
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Ха-ха
Видимо, наборщик текста на этикетке запутался в скороговорке "Карл у Клары украл..."
  13.07.2010 07:32
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Dmitry Golovko (Golovko)
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Музыка Елены Алексеевны Гартунг.

Записано, видимо, в конце 1924г., т.к. изначальный номер (1235) относится к нумерации пластинок Центропечати.
На более поздних тиражах этой пластинки на зеркало уже был вынесен номер Музпреда (0 Х 123)
  27.07.2010 15:43
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Adrian Hindle-Briscall (Adrian)
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Thank you Dmitry!
I had thought that this 1235 was a number assigned about 1926 - the same series that was used for later reissues and the early electrics. The series that contains 1055 – 2850 for 1928 (but I disagree with the date 1928!). But this series runs roughly in order with the Zakaz numbers, and in that series 18029 should be roughly 1365. Also, 1236 (between the two numbers on this 18029) is 16067 by the baritone Maksakov.

So if 1235 is a Tsentopechat number this is very interesting. Does that mean that nearly a thousand sides were recorded between 1921 and 1924?

I hope you can read my English. I can understand a little Russian - or if not, with help from Google Translate!

Adrian
  27.07.2010 21:05
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Dmitry Golovko (Golovko)
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одно из двух
Либо это запись Центропечати, позже тиражировавшаяся Музпредом и перенумерованная им (хотя и сохранившая на зеркале оригинальный номер)
Либо (если это уже Музпредовская запись) Музпред вёл первое время двойную нумерацию : продолжал старую (Центропечати) и вел уже собственную (через 0 Х)
Лично я склоняюсь к первому варианту, т.к. на представленном здесь экземпляре этой пластинки на зеркале имеется только номер Центропечати, а на экземпляре, имеющемся у меня (как я понимаю, более позднем) имеется также и номер Музпреда
  28.07.2010 09:11
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Adrian Hindle-Briscall (Adrian)
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but
But different sides of records have different numbers present apparently at random. The Patorzhinskii 0x390 has that number and no others in the mirror, but the other side (0x391 on the label) has only -1703- in the mirror. This Milich has 0x123 on the label but only 1235 in the mirror. the other side has 0x125 and 1237 in the mirror.

I see there are some things that suggest to me that there is a Tsentropechat series and also a Muzpred series, as you say. The Muzpred numbers in the mirror always have - or _ either side, e.g. -2998-. Also, the Tsentropechat numbers use a mixture of number stamps of different sizes and designs. The 1 is small, the 7 and 0 are large. The Muzpred numbers seem to be all of the same size and style.

But if there are Tsentropechat numbers as high as 1237, does that mean that there are nearly a thousand sides recorded after the political recordings of 1921? I guess it's more likely that many of these numbers were used on existing pre-revolution recordings.
  28.07.2010 21:17
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Lauris Romislovs (lauris)
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Спасибо за редкую запись. Революционной музыкой в середини 20х народ уже "прокормить" нелзя и возвротились романсу которого недавно клеймили. Других пластинох позднего Центропечати нету?
А то был бы рад послушать.
А каких небудь сведений о Милич нету?

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Thank you for the rare record. Since the mid of 20th it became difficult to "feed" the people by the revolutionary music, so they returned to the romance that they recently used to blame. Do you have other late Tsentropechat records? If so, I would be delighted to listen. Do you have any information about Milich?
  05.01.2014 21:03
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Adrian Hindle-Briscall (Adrian)
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Sorry Lauris, I don't understand all your Russian. I don't have any other Soviet recordings this early but I have a late acoustic Patorzhinsky on this site.

Milich was a member of the Moscow Operetta Theatre http://www.biletexpress.ru/teatr-articles/119/31.html. I think she may have made one or two Soviet electrics. See also discussion here.
http://www.russian-records.com/details.php?image_id=15507&l=russian

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К сожалению Лаурис, я не понимаю все ваши по-русски. У меня нет никаких других советских записей это рано, но у меня есть поздно акустическую Patorzhinsky на сайте.

Милич был членом Московского театра оперетты http://www.biletexpress.ru/teatr-articles/119/31.html " target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> http://www.biletexpress.ru/teatr-articles/119/31.html . Я думаю, что она, возможно, сделал один или два советских электрика. См. также обсуждение здесь.
http://www.russian-records.com/details.php?image_id=15507&l=russian " target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> http://www.russian-records.com/details.php?image_id=15507&l=russian
  11.01.2014 23:18
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Yuri Bernikov (bernikov)
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Adrian wrote:
Sorry Lauris, I don't understand all your Russian.

I added English translation to the original message.
  12.01.2014 00:50
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Adrian Hindle-Briscall (Adrian)
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Thanks Yuri. yes it was that second sentence I didn't understand.
  12.01.2014 04:13
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