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Gold fundSoviet recordings 
10102 1554
Лезгинка
исп. дух. орк ВПШ НКВД
п.у. Николаевского

Из коллекции Дмитрия И-н
Mirror Transcription: 1554. А Reverse side
Original matrix: MusTrust (electric process) # 1554
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Gramplasttrest and ... > Gramplasttrest NKTP (diamond, no plant name) 1554 1554 А 10102 10102Reissue (original matrix)
Reverse Side 2033 2033 ––//–– 10102Original matrix
Soviet records > MusTrust (electric process) 1554 1554 Original matrix
MusTrust (electric ... > MusTrust NKLP (el) 1554 1554 10103 Gold fund
Title Name: Lezginka
Language(s) or Ethnics: russian | Catalog category: Orchestra
Artist(s): Brass Band of High School of Frontier Troops
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Bandmaster or conductor: Fedor Nikolaevskiy
Recording Place: Moscow | Recording Date: 1932
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Record size: 25 cm | Label size: 80 mm
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File size: 455.4 KB | 1278x1280 px
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Added by: DmitriySar | 02.09.2019 09:12 | Last updated by:  Andy60 | 03.09.2019 12:33
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LBVF1991
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Дата записи
Василий, эта пластинка не могла быть записана в 1932 году, Муз Трест НКЛП существовал с 1927-1929 годы, затем был передан ВСНХ 1929-1933 годы при нем началась электрозапись. Судя по матричному номеру этой пластинки, она была напечатана в 1928 году, соответственно и произведение было записано в тот же период. Хотя, можно поспорить по этому поводу. Муз Трест регистрировал записи по двум спискам, один начатый в 1927 г, второй преднозначенный только для электрозаписей. При этом интересен другой факт, этикетка Муз Треста НКЛП была желто-голубая(про карайней мере должна была быть, на практике это не так), у Муз Трест ВСНХ красно-желтая. Это информация взята из книги А. Железного, но видимо Музтрестовцы не придерживались особой системой выпуска пластинок, поэтому и причина таких ляпов на пластинках.
  30.04.2011 13:18
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Единственный "ляп" здесь в том, что использована этикетка более раннего образца. Таких примеров можно приискать сколько угодно. Нет никакого сомнения в том, что это электрозапись 1932 года, а на акустическая запись. Если Вы сомневаетесь, можете, конечно, попросить Василия сделать скан цифр на массе. Там будет характерный почерк (один из "музтрестовских" почерков периода электрозаписи) - крупный, размашистый. Акустические записи имели, как известно, небольшие, пунсонами выдавленные, цифирки с черточками по бокам.
  30.04.2011 13:55
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Согласен полностью, как известно только с основанием Апрелевки в 1934 году начался порядок в звукозаписи, поэтому мои предположения на счет "ляпа" подтвердились. Спасибо за уточнение.
  30.04.2011 20:06
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I can confirm that there are NKLP Muztrests with definitely electric recordings. I think these are later pressings than the typical VSNKh ones.

Later Muztrests usually or always have the English or French 'MusTrust' and USSR where the NK.. would be, and KPO have no NK on the label.

But the crudely printed early Gramplastrest labels also have NKLP though slightly later Gramplasttrests and the labels here called 'Interim' have NKTP on the label.

This suggests to me that NKLP was again responsible for record issues for a short time around 1933.
  02.05.2011 21:15
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I guess that this makes sense. Having thought a bit, I've come to following conclusion. People's Comissariat of Light Industry (НКЛП) was created on 5th January, 1932. It means that in reality MusTrust was never subordinated to НКЛП, for КПО had been already set up. Ergo, there was only one, non-separated period of subordination of КПО и ГПТ to НКЛП.

So the only question is: when this subordination was established. I've seen a catalogue of records issued in 1933. Its title-page reads: "Граммпластрест НКТП" (sic). The problem is, however, that (alas) I've never seen a catalogue issued in 1932 (maybe it even does not exist).
  03.05.2011 13:47
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Of course, "Грампласттрест НКЛП", not "НКТП" (in the 2nd line from the bottom).
  03.05.2011 14:52
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So all this means that "МузТрест НКЛП" (which as if existed) is a fiction created by A. Zhelezny (in his "Наш друг - грампластинка". P. 268) and some other autors.

I've looked through my records issued by Mus-Trust, KPO, early Grammplastrest. The latest one that has a mark of Gramplasttrest's subordinance to НКЛП is 2860-61. These numbers were recorded approximately in summer 1933.
  03.05.2011 20:38
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All Muzpreds and Gosprossnabs that I know of have NKP. I wonder if this is being confused with NKLP. But NKP was in use before 1927.

MuzTrest NKLP is not a fiction - the label on this page proves it existed, and I have others. But it sounds like NKLP from 1927 to 1929 is a mistake of some sort.

I know of a copy of a KPO catalogue of I believe 1931, which has VSNKh. KPO was registered as a trade mark in September 1930 and I'm sure it was used at the same time as Muztrest/Mustrust. This would be similar to the way SovSong was surely issued at the same time as Gramplasttrest. And I suspect for the same reason - an attempt to create a label for export.
  03.05.2011 23:43
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I've seen the catalogue of 1931. But I didn't found there any marks of KPO's subordinance - I guess some pages were missing. Thank you for the information.

By 'fiction' i meant only that MuzTrest HKLP existed only on labels. Although, some people think it to be a reality. Zhelezny wrote (25 years ago) that MT was subordinated to NKLP during all of its "acoustic" period. It seems that the real chain of subordinations was: NKP - VSNKh - HKLP - NKTP.
  04.05.2011 21:11
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VSNKh is mentioned only in the introductory text of the 1931 catalogue.

Surely, if record production was assigned to NKLP at the start of its existence in early 1932, or soon after, some MuzTrest records would have been produced in that period. I know that there were KPO records from 1930-31 but there were also surely Muztrests made after that, with numbers into the 2000s at least. Many of the later ones had the Western 'MusTrust' and USSR in the position of VSNKh/NKLP, but would presumably have been made under NKLP, as we see it on the earlier labels and also on the first GPTs.
  04.05.2011 22:11
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